General Discussion - I think Kalguur settlers... - Forum - Path of Exile (2025)

...are not kind people.

And we see evidence of that here and there.

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de99ial wrote:

...are not kind people.

And we see evidence of that here and there.

People are generally not kind people. We see evidence of that everywhere.

Not in that way.

Sasan says something interesting. We also have "pirate" that is called "admiral" asn tell me how many pirates use military degrees?

Do military people kidnap sailors for ransom, too?

He could well be an admiral turned pirate and just keeps using the title, or assume the title and apparel without having had the rank. Pirates aren't the most trustworthy folks after all..

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de99ial wrote:

Not in that way.

Sasan says something interesting. We also have "pirate" that is called "admiral" asn tell me how many pirates use military degrees?

as soon as they have more than 1 ship under their command, all of them.
admiral is only the commander of a fleet (more then 1 ship).

Also, If you're interested in some history you should look up privateers and letters of marque. He could be an official admiral of a different nation.

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de99ial wrote:

Not in that way.

Sasan says something interesting. We also have "pirate" that is called "admiral" asn tell me how many pirates use military degrees?

Any pirate who could ever vaguely justify the use of the term would absolutely use it. They use the term Captain too, and that'd require a military degree. Titles are used by those who can make their people use it and nothing more.

As to historical pirates, look up Shi Yang (or Zheng Yi Sao, her more well known name), a late 1700's pirate, often titled the Queen of the South Seas who had a massive 20ish ship fleet under her command.

All that said, even back in Expedition we knew the King was not a kind man, and even the four NPC's hesitated to talk too strongly about their failed rebellion against him. Likely they where in Wraeclast in a desperate bid to avoid death.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Do military people kidnap sailors for ransom, too?

He could well be an admiral turned pirate and just keeps using the title, or assume the title and apparel without having had the rank. Pirates aren't the most trustworthy folks after all..

Depends on country and military of that country. I bet we could find in history examples of such behawiour.

They dont but they also despise military and all systemic structures. Even if i bet they would drop their title for "Captain".

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tsunamikun wrote:

Also, If you're interested in some history you should look up privateers and letters of marque. He could be an official admiral of a different nation.

Thats the point - it looks like some force is trying to stop Kalguur expantion. But Kalguur use propaganda to present it as "pirates" where they are not just pirates.

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Northern_Ronin wrote:

As to historical pirates, look up Shi Yang (oZheng Yi Saor , her more well known name), a late 1700's pirate, often titled the Queen of the South Seas who had a massive 20ish ship fleet under her command.

All that said, even back in Expedition we knew the King was not a kind man, and even the four NPC's hesitated to talk too strongly about their failed rebellion against him. Likely they where in Wraeclast in a desperate bid to avoid death.

And still she went with title of "Queen" not admiral.

Wraeclast is a shithole and Kalguur could probably just colonize it and enslave everyone, yet in Kingsmarch every gets payed.

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de99ial wrote:

Depends on country and military of that country. I bet we could find in history examples of such behawiour.

They dont but they also despise military and all systemic structures. Even if i bet they would drop their title for "Captain".
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Thats the point - it looks like some force is trying to stop Kalguur expantion. But Kalguur use propaganda to present it as "pirates" where they are not just pirates.

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And still she went with title of "Queen" not admiral.

1. Yes ransoming was a standard procedure, not just the crew, but also the ship itself.

2. Well The english called the spanish privateers pirates and vice versa... so i don't know about propaganda, it was just normal? and yes, both where pirates, jsut state sanctioned ones. Doesn't make them better or worse.

3. Queen > Admiral, but she was still only the latter one, or did she have a Queendom?(why isn't that a word by now?^)

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de99ial wrote:

And still she went with title of "Queen" not admiral.

She didn't choose any title. That's the title history has collectively given her due to her frankly unbelievable life. I opted to brush up before posting (She's always a good read), and I honestly couldn't find a single viable source which referred to her as the Pirate Queen during her life, nor anything that indicated she used any title other than her home title (Zheng's Wife, the leader prior to her, and in theory her husband). I'd guess (and this is just me guessing), she'd be titled officially by her confederacy and referred to as 'Shang jiang' which translates to English roughly admiral in this context (the difference being that it as far as I can tell, is used for all military fields, so it sorta means Admiral-General as it's equal for ground and navy).

And this isn't odd in these fields, particularly when non-national entities operate in regions that have no governance (like Wraeclast) or when they gather enough direct power where they bridge the gap from 'gang of bandits' to 'freestanding military'. They start taking titles granted by themselves, for themselves. But just because a Pirate calls himself an Admiral, it doesn't mean he holds an office, was promoted, or even commands more than one ship. Just that they like to put on airs and talk a big game. Like Bestel claiming to be a captain. He never was a captain, even before crashing, and even if he was, not like he's got a ship now. He just took the hat and said "Well I'm the last crewman alive, guess I'm captain now." and people just rolled with it.

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de99ial wrote:

They dont but they also despise military and all systemic structures. Even if i bet they would drop their title for "Captain".

I did want to touch on this, because if I'm reading it correctly, you're claiming pirates despite organizational structures and titles. And that's just wrong. Pirates had some of the best support structures of any ships or navy's in their eras, with clear cut rules on how loot is handed out, many had health insurance (so if you got hurt on the job, the ship helped pay for a doctor and a peg leg, and tried to shift your duties to something you can still do, rather than just toss you off), codes and trial rights and even limits of power imposed on their captains to reduce abuse of power.

While of course each ships going to be a bit different, and you can't really say "All pirates operated in the same way", but to think that a ship that's at sea for months at a time despised order and rules and systems is just crazy talk. Ships just cannot operate like that, it needed to know who's on the boarding party, who makes the ropes and repairs the wood, who's on watch when, who preps cannon charges and cleans the decks and who's cooking what, when, because that food has got to last. Some ships even had pretty strict rules on being drunk on the job (note, most people, pirate or not, where a little drunk on the job in these calmer times, typically these where like 'don't get blackout drunk' type rules). Because, you had a job to be doing and if you couldn't get it done, or drank all the booze, there was going to be a problem. Seriously if you've never really looked into real historical pirate stuff, I really suggest it, there's a lot of cool stuff there, between old pirates and privateers from the 1850s and prior. This isn't to like, say pirates are actually good people, obviously theft, kidnapping, and murder are pretty high up on their 'things they do.

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Wraeclast is a shithole and Kalguur could probably just colonize it and enslave everyone, yet in Kingsmarch every gets payed.

Well they tried that once already ages ago and it didn't work out great. Though Settlers seems to indicate history is about to repeat itself. But with the beast out of the picture, and a lot of the problems of Wraeclast at least a little settled, it might go better this time. But with a new game looming, I assume another world ending situation is just over the horizon. But maybe we will see some Kalguur towns cropping up, be interesting to see old Kalguur druids running around, and an entire fantasy nation who've never been introduced to the idea of divinity coming to terms with the concept.